Thanks very much everybody ( including seb… ) for all the constructive input.
I suspect that I am "diffrn't".. in that general mid range noise irritates me greatly and I avoid it.
Loud tv's , loud music, loud crowds , loud shops…loud anything …. all are to be avoided without aids as well as with.
I conscientiously wear earmuffs in noise these days, sadly , in the past, real men would not be seen dead in them.
I opine that I may have unconsciously trained my brain to listen carefully to detail in mid range racket as I did spend a lot of time around machinery in my youth.
There is nothing like having to pay for whatever quits to focus ones' mind…… :-)
I have found others with a similar sensitivity.
In a large group one male will quietly cock his head as a deep mechanical noise somewhere changes tone, and I know I have found a like mind…...
I may have some closed domes, and I need to have a 6 monthly visit anyway.
This will probably be with someone new as the practice is expanding, an opportunity to pursue a fresh view of the situation.
I did point out the silliness of the fm microphone to the audio
I come down to dinner on the cruise ship and explain to 8 strangers that they have to pass around this microphone, they must only speak in turn, and there must be no cross talk … right…...
Well at least this as gone from amazing to amusing..
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All people with significant hearing loss have recruitment. Recruitment just describes one of the unavoidable physical consequences of outter hair cell damage. If tgh is actively avoiding all sounds past a certain level that are comfortable to most people, he may be encouraging hyperacusis. If he is sensitive to particular sounds that don't bother other people, that's a different matter.
It is certainly true that two people with the same hearing loss as measured by the blunt tool of the audiogram may function very differently in noise. It might be useful to ask for some speech-in-noise testing. If you ARE someone who suffers more in noise than others, then unfortunately an FM system is going to be the best option for you. But maybe the hearing aids are just fit poorly, who knows.
They usually do a speech in noise test although I don't have any results
I don't think I do very well… :-(
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FEBRUARY 8 2017
Aussie smart earbuds promise relief for children struggling in the classroom
Australian smart earbuds maker Nuheara has announced a university-backed trial to study the effectiveness of its noise-filtering IQbuds in assisting children on the Autism spectrum or with auditory processing difficulties.
The noise-cancelling wireless earbuds are designed to stream music from a mobile device via Bluetooth, but their built-in signal processing technology can also filter out ambient noise to help wearers who struggle to distinguish voices in noisy environments.
It's a condition colloquially known as "pub deafness" but Nuheara has preparing to embark on a university-backed pilot which may lead to research trials.
The move is based on strong anecdotal evidence that Nuheara's noise-filtering technology offers relief to children who struggle at school due to difficulty listening and/or concentrating.
It's early days for Nuheara's buds as an assistive tool, and while the company has announced details of the trial it can't yet name the Australian university involved until its ethics committee gives the final sign-off, likely to happen later this month.
Perth primary school student Kai has been trialling Nuheara's IQbuds for several months to assist with concentration problems which have always seen him struggle in class and when socialising with other children. While eight year-old Kai has excellent hearing, last year he was diagnosed with an Auditory Processing Disorder which means that the teacher's voice gets lost in the noise of the classroom, says his mother Mel.
"We had numerous hearing tests which all came back clear, but Kai's teachers would tell us that he was a bright kid yet he didn't pay attention in class unless you dealt with him one on one," she says. "Now we know the fact is that, in a noisy environment, he has no idea that you're talking to him or it just sounds like you're mumbling."
An early childhood teacher, Mel came across Auditory Processing Disorders as part of her professional development program and made the connection. Once the diagnosis was confirmed, she was put in touch with Nuheara which offered IQbuds to trial.
The IQbuds offered immediate benefits to Kai, both in the classroom and out in public where he no longer covers his ears in noisy environments such as shopping centres. At school there has been a marked improvement in his comprehension and spelling results now that he can better hear the words, plus his improved hearing has helped with his anxiety, confidence and concentration issues.
"After his first day at school with the earbuds I asked Kai how it went and he said it was great, and it was also bad," Mel says.
"He said it was great because he could finally hear the teacher, but bad because now that he could hear the teacher he had to do what she said."
Nuheara's IQbuds began life as an Indiegogo crowdfunded project last June, raising more than $1 million from backers around the globe. It started shipping the smart earbuds to backers in January and they will go on sale to the general public in March, having recently achieved certification for sale in the US. The IQbuds can operate independent of a smartphone, with an all-day battery life, but the mobile app lets the user configure the noise filtering to allow for different environments from a classroom to a sports stadium.
While the IQbuds were not designed specifically to help people with concentration disorders, the experiences of Kai and other children using IQbuds have encouraged Nuheara to pursue university-backed research to confirm exactly what benefits the technology can offer, says Nuheara chief executive and co-founder Justin Miller.
Auditory Processing Disorders are twice as common amongst children as hearing loss, Miller says, yet they often go unrecognised until adulthood where terms like "pub deafness" can trivialise what is a serious medical issue. While the IQbuds clearly offer relief to adults who struggle to engage in conversation in noisy environments, Miller has also seen a transformation in some of the children he has encountered who suffer from a range of conditions from Auditory Processing Disorders to non-verbal Autism.
"The research we've got to date is the experience of these children and their parents, which is significant, but we want more definitive data which is why we're pursuing these trials," Miller says.
"We understand individuals and families who experience challenges such as Auditory Processing Disorder are often led down a rabbit hole of false solutions. This is why we are committed to completing pilot studies and developing research projects to validate the positive impact of assistive audio on people with concentration and hearing-related challenges."
Hardware Crowdfunding: Hearables Show Promise & Pratfalls
The hearables market just passed the $50m mark for total crowdfunding investment in February. This milestone demonstrates both the promise of the hearables market as well as the challenges of hardware crowdfunding and building hearables.
Analyst Nick Hunn recently penned his latest piece on the state of the hearables marketplace via his LinkedIn page. Having coined the term “hearables” roughly four years ago, there is no better source from which to get honest and accurate insights on this emerging sector.
With over $50m collectively raised through crowdfunding initiatives as of February of this year, the hearables market is taking off in earnest. The volume of investment grown to a significant level, and by all accounts appears to still be accelerating.
Via Nick Hunn / LinkedIn, “Hearables attract $50 million of crowdfunding”
However, as Hunn astutely observes, raising funds is only just the beginning of a long journey for aspiring hearables manufacturers:
“The average fund-raise is around $800,000, with ten exceeding $2 million. However, these are pre-orders which need to be fulfilled – it’s not pure development investment. Hearables, particularly earbuds, are not easy to design and manufacture, and it probably costs between $5 million and $10 million to bring a set of earbuds to market, particularly if they include any complex new functionality.”
Every manufacturer likely initiates their crowdfunding campaign with the best intentions. Yet the “average delay is still running at 13 months after the promised delivery date” among crowd-funding campaigns within the hearables sector. Even tech giant Apple demonstrated the challenges inherent in hearable technology, announcing multiple shipping delays during their Airpods launch.
Hardware Crowdfunding and Getting from Prototype to Production
Beyond the hearables sector, the challenge of going from prototype to product face virtually all hardware startups. In a post for Autodesk’s Redshift, venture capitalist Avidan Ross writes, “For years, nearly every venture capitalist in Silicon Valley had an unspoken, and sometimes explicit, ‘no hardware’ rule.”
This unwritten rule likely stemmed from the expense, complexity, and time needed to bring new hardware to market. In a 2016 post titled, “The Dirty Secrets of Hardware Crowdfunding,” Butterfleye CEO Ben Nader expands on this reality:
“To build a physical product — whether it’s a super cooler or a smartwatch — requires more than a GitHub account and a fridge full of beer. It demands early and deep knowledge of disciplines like prototyping, tooling and supply chains. If a campaign doesn’t have that expertise, things start to go off the rails rather quickly.”
At Nuheara we’re fortunate to have extremely capable and experienced partners. Alignment with a manufacturing leader like Flextronics, and the unparalleled product development expertise of our experienced team who have done this before, has been invaluable in bringing IQbuds™ to market in less than 12 months from the first working wearable prototype. Nick Hunn summarizes the challenges of building a hearables device:
“As I said above, these products are still very difficult to develop…. They need sub-miniature transducers to render audio, multiple radios (typically Bluetooth to stream music from the phone and NFMI to distribute it between the left and right earbuds), multiple microphones with DSPs for beam-forming, noise cancellation and audio enhancement, clever battery and power management design to produce decent operating life, and innovative antenna designs. That’s before you get to the physical challenge of packing that all into something which fits in your ear and is comfortable to wear.”
We’re extremely grateful for the support and patience of our early backers from Indiegogo. Fulfillment of those earliest orders has been our highest priority. Although there have been challenges along the road, we expect the process to complete within the coming weeks.
As pre-order fulfillment comes to a close and expanded retail partnerships commence thereafter, Nuheara is well positioned to meet an ever-growing demand for its IQbuds™. There are exciting times ahead for the hearables market.
I placed an order for the IQbuds since they have a 30 day money back guarantee. I'd like to see if they help me in noisy places like busy restaurants. They supposedly ship in 6 weeks. My aids help me on the phone and in less noisy places, but I don't find much if any benefit in noisy places. I was at a VERY noisy bar and restaurant yesterday and didn't make out too good with my aids on.
I'll report my findings the IQbuds come in.
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