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    PLEASE don't retreat away discouraged! I definitely find the topic of interest, even tho my first reaction was, "Crikey! I wish they'd just invent a perfect hearing aid in the interim!" I think part of my own jaded response is utter frustration to keep having this stem cell carrot dangled in front of my nose. At one point stem cell research was declared ILLEGAL I think, despite the good that can come of it. Give us another chance, cuz it's better to know what's out there and keep that kernel of hope alive.

    I can related to the issue personally as that is exactly the problem I was born with: BALD as an egg in my ears. It's a hereditary condition in my family. But I confess, I actually daydream about injecting my ears with Minoxidil to see if that could stimulate some hairy growth. I think I hammered my last 10 ear hairs attending an Elton John concert back in the '70s - with NO ear protection. DUMB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SilenceIsGolden View Post
    Well I must say this wasn't the reception I expected for such good news. Instant dismissal that it was old news when the evidence shows it was only published in a scientific journal last week, then dismissal of the lead scientist and their work based on a single comment, and introducing the missing 'Corey' as though everyone reading this thread should know who and why this is relevant.

    Any research work that has only just been published will be some years away from clinical trials, and to expect otherwise is, well, odd. I googled the lead author, and despite the insinuations, he is actually a highly accomplished and regarded researcher that exemplifies the good in humanity, which is not something all of us can claim.

    I think I'll retreat away again from this forum. It was very useful to me at one time, and certainly did not carry on like it seems to now.
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    I am still astonished, as a result of the difference this time in the number of cells produced compared to in the past. This info is in the paper published in Cell, the gist of which is that in previous research projects, between 50 and 200 cells are produced. This time it is orders of magnitude greater, seems in the thousands(>11,500), to a point that it can now make a difference, and if this carries through in the human trials, then that is something worth being excited about I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spingee View Post
    Hearing loss is much bigger problem the younger you are
    Dunno what makes you say that, but it's obviously utter nonsense!
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    I'll tell you: since I was born with a 30db loss to begin with - which rapidly progressed to about 45db in my 30s and now ... well, look at my audiogram!

    When you are young, you need to HEAR speech in order to form the right connections in your brain and be able to make sense of the world around you. In fact, I had an experience just a few years ago when one of my aids was not working normally for several months. The result was a significantly worse word comprehension score - from about 80+ percent to about 50%. I was shocked at how fast the brain deteriorates when it's not able to hear.

    In addition, there is a HUGE social downside to not being able to hear at a younger age. You feel isolated, paranoid, shy, withdrawn - yes, everything we tend to label OLD FOLKS with hearing problems! Take it from me, the SOONER you get your ears up to par (as best as you can) the BETTER your quality of life and self-confidence will be. I didn't have the money for aids till I was 31. As a result, I suffered through many years of missed dialog, misunderstandings, feeling awkward, stressed. It's a wonder I finished college and grad school, no kidding!

    Quote Originally Posted by dglenday View Post
    Dunno what makes you say that, but it's obviously utter nonsense!
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    That IS encouraging news! I would volunteer myself to test it out, no kidding! I wonder what it will take to see some human trials? Perhaps within my lifetime (I'm 61) I could benefit from such a miracle myself - and CRUSH my aids under my heel! :-)


    Quote Originally Posted by SilenceIsGolden View Post
    I am still astonished, as a result of the difference this time in the number of cells produced compared to in the past. This info is in the paper published in Cell, the gist of which is that in previous research projects, between 50 and 200 cells are produced. This time it is orders of magnitude greater, seems in the thousands(>11,500), to a point that it can now make a difference, and if this carries through in the human trials, then that is something worth being excited about I think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1Bluejay View Post
    That IS encouraging news! I would volunteer myself to test it out, no kidding! I wonder what it will take to see some human trials? Perhaps within my lifetime (I'm 61) I could benefit from such a miracle myself - and CRUSH my aids under my heel! :-)
    I imagine (sorry animal lovers) that there will be animal trials first. Check for ill effects. Then more animal trials. Check that there's any apparent benefit.

    Last time I did a cursory Google on the subject, the experts were talking about the difficulties of any possible stem cell treatment. Like getting access to the area to surgically transplant cells. One professor was saying that cochlear implant may always be the best possible treatment. Now they're talking about a simple injection. Yeah, so I say cautious optimism for the long term is in order. Why not? It won't change anything either way and it feels better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JustEd View Post
    "Hearing loss is a real problem as people get older," says MIT's Prof. Robert Langer, one of the senior authors.

    This is where I have a problem. Hearing loss is a "real problem" for all that have it not just older people. if they can not get this simple concept I put little faith in the Professors views.
    What the professor should have said is that our aging population means that hearing loss is going to be a large economic drain for our community. Shear numbers will help drive innovation and research. More treatments will be available just like the cochlear implant became available. But no treatment will be the panacea for everyone. The time from animal trials to human trials depends on how many obstacles are in the way but it is still years off at best. Also likely to see more research on the prevention of hearing loss due to loud noise exposure due to the number of veterans with hearing loss.
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    I would hate to see what the companies who will offer the treatment will charge for it.
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    Ha! Having experienced the hearing industry, a LOT!
    And they will want to bundle a bunch of things with it, because if it works, customers won't need to come back. More likely they'll water the treatment down so they can keep us on their drip feeder. If for no other reason, I hope this one gets up and makes this industry less relevant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SilenceIsGolden View Post
    Ha! Having experienced the hearing industry, a LOT!
    And they will want to bundle a bunch of things with it, because if it works, customers won't need to come back. More likely they'll water the treatment down so they can keep us on their drip feeder. If for no other reason, I hope this one gets up and makes this industry less relevant.
    It will come from universities and pharmaceutical companies. Not the HA manufacturers. It will be controlled by government and ENTs.
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