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    I picked up my KS7's last Wednesday and I've already decided to return the HI Health HA's. They make it easy, by the way. They e-mailed me a pre-paid USPS label and I'll send them back for a full refund on Monday.

    Overall, I liked the Hi Health HA's, but the frequency response of the KS7's seems much better at the high end. The sounds I hear with the KS7's are as much different from the HI Health aids as the HI Health aids were from listening without HA's at all. In other words, I'm going thru a whole new period of getting used to high sounds I haven't heard in years. In addition, the KS7's don't make scratching noises when I move my glasses. The HI Health aids did make the glasses "live". Both sets of aids touch the frames of my glasses, but the KS7's aren't as sensitive to touch, so I can adjust my glasses without producing an irritating noise in the HA's.

    One small feature I like better with the HI Health aids is that they use a voice to indicate what program you're in and what the volume level is, rather than a series of tones. My overall impression of the HI Health aids is that they work very well for hearing voices, but not so well on the upper ranges of frequencies. If they were $400-500 cheaper than the KS7's, I might have kept them, but the difference amounted to less than $150 and I think the KS7's are a significantly better set of HA's (based on a short trial and a lot of reading up here) than the HI Health aids. One note on pricing: the HI Health aids added $298 to bring their warranty and loss and damage coverage up to the level of the KS7's. That rankled me and it's what made the price of the two so close.

    My hearing specialist at Costco set up four programs for me to try (1) automatic (2) noise and party (3) i360 and (4) telecoil. She would have rather just set me up initially with the first two, but I had her add the others. The rocker switch on the left is set up for "program up or down" and "on/standby" and the switch on the right aid adjusts volume. She asked me to keep a diary of my impressions and questions and come back in two weeks for a follow-up appointment. So far, I really like the KS7's and for me the whole process of getting used to HA's has been a lot easier than I expected. I guess I should have done it years ago.

    After I have more experience with the KS7's, I'll post my impressions here or on the KS7 user's thread.
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  2. #12

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    Why volume on right instead of spatial control? The left can be set short push will do volume up and down, longer push will change programs and long hold will mute the aids. Setup the right (yes has to be right) for spatial control. First push will take from auto to 180 forward, next push will cut to about half the 180, next push will give very narrow focus, next push will give you a tone and you are back to auto. Concentrate on getting the auto/default program dialed in and you won't need the extra programs. Smart Connect? If you have open domes throw them away and get property vented molds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc Jake View Post
    Why volume on right instead of spatial control? The left can be set short push will do volume up and down, longer push will change programs and long hold will mute the aids. Setup the right (yes has to be right) for spatial control. First push will take from auto to 180 forward, next push will cut to about half the 180, next push will give very narrow focus, next push will give you a tone and you are back to auto. Concentrate on getting the auto/default program dialed in and you won't need the extra programs. Smart Connect? If you have open domes throw them away and get property vented molds.
    There are two further controls I'm thinking of adding on my return in two weeks, but I'm keeping it simple for now: (1) the microphone pattern adjustment you mentioned (by the way, in my manual it says it can be a brief press on either the R or the L aid) and (2) sound balance (which is really a treble control) also available with a brief press, R or L). I thought I might want to be able to back off on the treble a bit, if it gets to be too much. Most likely, though, I'll just learn to love it. If I add both mic adjustment and treble, I'll have to lose the volume control, but I never used the volume control once in five weeks with my HI Health HA's.

    As far as Smart Connect (or remote or any other accessory) , I don't need them. I hear TV and my cellphone just fine without any special connections and my truck has hands-free connection with my Motorola dumb phone when I'm driving. I had her add Telecoil in case I attend a play or movie at a looped facility.
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    I'm assuming that the i360 mode means music mode or omnidirectional?
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    If you say so.. Good luck


    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Blue View Post
    There are two further controls I'm thinking of adding on my return in two weeks, but I'm keeping it simple for now: (1) the microphone pattern adjustment you mentioned (by the way, in my manual it says it can be a brief press on either the R or the L aid) and (2) sound balance (which is really a treble control) also available with a brief press, R or L). I thought I might want to be able to back off on the treble a bit, if it gets to be too much. Most likely, though, I'll just learn to love it. If I add both mic adjustment and treble, I'll have to lose the volume control, but I never used the volume control once in five weeks with my HI Health HA's.

    As far as Smart Connect (or remote or any other accessory) , I don't need them. I hear TV and my cellphone just fine without any special connections and my truck has hands-free connection with my Motorola dumb phone when I'm driving. I had her add Telecoil in case I attend a play or movie at a looped facility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Volusiano View Post
    I'm assuming that the i360 mode means music mode or omnidirectional?
    Omnidirectional, I guess. I've read it helps in a car, when driving with several passengers--a situation that has proven difficult for me before I got HA's. I've had trouble hearing anyone directly behind me. I'm skeptical but I'll give it a try.
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    Exactly what I was thinking - but I lack the techno jargon to say it! Mr Blue, your loss is not off the charts! But I have always thought a directional program is KEY - (altho, is that what your program 2 does now?) Telecoil? Get rid of it! You sound like you're doing fine with the phone (and TV) now. SO glad you tried out the Costco aids. It pays to shop around. Also, your Costco audi sounds FABULOUS! I love the idea about keeping a journal. Note the battery life, any glitches with phone, laptop sound, TV; how about noisy malls/restaurants, riding in the car, listen to live music. Go for a hike and see if you can hear the person behind you on the path. What about on a WINDY day? The whole 9 yards. Definitely report back!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc Jake View Post
    Why volume on right instead of spatial control? The left can be set short push will do volume up and down, longer push will change programs and long hold will mute the aids. Setup the right (yes has to be right) for spatial control. First push will take from auto to 180 forward, next push will cut to about half the 180, next push will give very narrow focus, next push will give you a tone and you are back to auto. Concentrate on getting the auto/default program dialed in and you won't need the extra programs. Smart Connect? If you have open domes throw them away and get property vented molds.
    HAs from 1985>Starkey>Phonak>Epoq>AGXO ITE>Oticon Alta Pro ITE>Oticon Opn miniRITE

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1Bluejay View Post
    Exactly what I was thinking - but I lack the techno jargon to say it! Mr Blue, your loss is not off the charts! But I have always thought a directional program is KEY - (altho, is that what your program 2 does now?) Telecoil? Get rid of it! You sound like you're doing fine with the phone (and TV) now. SO glad you tried out the Costco aids. It pays to shop around. Also, your Costco audi sounds FABULOUS! I love the idea about keeping a journal. Note the battery life, any glitches with phone, laptop sound, TV; how about noisy malls/restaurants, riding in the car, listen to live music. Go for a hike and see if you can hear the person behind you on the path. What about on a WINDY day? The whole 9 yards. Definitely report back!
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    I'm sure I'll just need to continue with some fine tuning on the programs and controls. With the Costco aids, I have 180 days to make a final decision, but I'm so satisfied already I can't imagine not keeping them. I think I will want the directional mics on a rocker switch. I'm not sure how many programs I will stay with; the plan now is to try the KS7's in as many situations as possible. I agree a diary is a good idea.
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    I had my two-week follow-up at Costco last night and had her fine tune the programs and controls. I kept the same four programs: (1) auto (2) noise/party (3) i focus 360 and (4) telecoil. The only change I made was to have her shut off the mics completely in the telecoil mode. I haven't had a chance to use it yet, but I intend to use it only for "looped" facilities for plays, etc. I hear fine on the phone with no special programs. I kept a diary for the last two weeks and tried each of the first three programs at least briefly. The i Focus 360 seemed to help when I was out hiking with my wife and my dogs. I could hear my wife well when she was walking behind me, so I decided to keep that program. With more experience in all the programs over time, I may decide to make some further changes, but, for now, I'm satisfied with these.

    I made several changes with the rocker controls and ended up going with them set up the way Doc Jake recommended: volume, program change and standby on the left rocker and directional control on the right. I would like to have program change and stand-by on both right and left ears, but she said that isn't possible. Incidentally, she said I'm her only patient using the directional control on a rocker switch.

    I learned one amazing thing about the KS7's by watching a video about Rexton Tru-Core on Audiology Online: They have a program that allows the audi to start a new HA wearer out with a less aggressive hearing correction and then automatically change by a small amount every day to reach the correct frequency ranges for best hearing. The audi can even pick the period of time over which the HA's change! I had no idea how sophisticated HA's are. I asked my audi about this and she set it up to make the incremental corrections over a period of two months.

    One more note for the record: I originally tried HI Health HA's from United Healthcare for five weeks before getting the KS7's. The KS7's were far better for the $150 or so extra. To United Healthcare's credit, they e-mailed me a prepaid USPS Priority Mail label to send back the HI Health aids. I handed the package to my letter carrier on Saturday in Tucson and mailed them back to Minneapolis. On Monday, United Healthcare had credited my Visa card back for the full cost of the HA's. Impressive.
    Last edited by Mr Blue; 04-27-2017 at 09:47 AM.
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    Glad to hear things are going so well. I never did understand the i360. I thought it was part of the automatic program. Yes, hearing aids are remarkably sophisticated. With 2 hearing aids, you get 4 mics, 2 speakers and 2 computers that communicate with each other!

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Blue View Post
    I had my two-week follow-up at Costco last night and had her fine tune the programs and controls. I kept the same four programs: (1) auto (2) noise/party (3) i focus 360 and (4) telecoil. The only change I made was to have her shut off the mics completely in the telecoil mode. I haven't had a chance to use it yet, but I intend to use it only for "looped" facilities for plays, etc. I hear fine on the phone with no special programs. I kept a diary for the last two weeks and tried each of the first three programs at least briefly. The i Focus 360 seemed to help when I was out hiking with my wife and my dogs. I could hear my wife well when she was walking behind me, so I decided to keep that program. With more experience in all the programs over time, I may decide to make some further changes, but, for now, I'm satisfied with these.

    I made several changes with the rocker controls and ended up going with them set up the way Doc Jake recommended: volume, program change and standby on the left rocker and directional control on the right. I would like to have program change and stand-by on both right and left ears, but she said that isn't possible. Incidentally, she said I'm her only patient using the directional control on a rocker switch.

    I learned one amazing thing about the KS7's by watching a video about Rexton Tru-Core on Audiology Online: They have a program that allows the audi to start a new HA wearer out with a less aggressive hearing correction and then automatically change by a small amount every day to reach the correct frequency ranges for best hearing. The audi can even pick the period of time over which the HA's change! I had no idea how sophisticated HA's are. I asked my audi about this and she set it up to make the incremental corrections over a period of two months.

    One more note for the record: I originally tried HI Health HA's from United Healthcare for five weeks before getting the KS7's. The KS7's were far better for the $150 or so extra. To United Healthcare's credit, they e-mailed me a prepaid USPS Priority Mail label to send back the HI Health aids. I handed the package to my letter carrier on Saturday in Tucson and mailed them back to Minneapolis. On Monday, United Healthcare had credited my Visa card back for the full cost of the HA's. Impressive.
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