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    Quote Originally Posted by Volusiano View Post
    Yes, I think you misunderstood this, Pui106. Let me clarify.

    What the instruction book is talking about is TV volume control (of your Samsung Smart TV) vs the streamed audio from the TV Adapter. The Toslink (optical audio) signal sent from the Samsung TV to your TV Adapter is a fixed volume digital signal via optical laser light. So if you're watching TV with somebody else, they hear from the speakers of the Samsung TV and you hear from the streamed audio from your TV Adapter to your OPN and these 2 volumes can be adjusted independently. So if your TV partner likes to listen at a very low volume level, he/she can turn the TV speakers volume down, and you still hear the same (louder) volume level from the TV Adapter to your OPN. That is because the Toslink connection sends fixed volume out and not variable volume out that is tied to the TV's volume. They control their own volume from the TV, and you control your own volume from the OPN.

    What I'm talking about is entirely different. It's between the volume control of your streamed audio from the TV Adapter to your OPN, and the volume control of your live surrounding sound picked up by your OPN's mics to your receiver. It's so that you can hear people or sounds around you ON TOP of hearing the streamed audio if that's what you want. Or not hear surrounding sound (in case it's just noisy dishwasher or washer/dryer nearby) while you watch TV. If you use the volume buttons on your OPNs, there's only 1 set of volume buttons, so it controls both. So if the streamed audio is too loud (like in your case), and you want to turn it down using the OPN volume button, you'll also in tandem, inadvertently, turn down the OPN mic's volume, even if you don't want to. So now you can't hear live people talking around you while watching TV anymore. So what I was telling the folks on this forum is that the iPhone Hearing Devices setting has 2 separate volume control sliders, one for OPN Mic, and one for the TV Box 1 (TV Adapter), that you can play around with to be able to have better control of these 2 volumes independently. If you use RCA connection to the TV Adapter, that's a third variable audio input you can fiddle with, in conjunction with the 2 volume sliders on the iPhone, to achieve the best balance. But if you use the optical Toslink audio connection to the TV Adapter, that's a fixed audio input, so you don't have a third volume control to fiddle with.
    Thanks so much for the info. I now understand more how this TV adapter works. I did tune down the volume but as a result, the speech was too soft to understand. I will try something with better audio, such as DVD, later and see if the sound quality would be better.

    Also, I am wondering if I can remove the TV program from the hearing aid myself or it has to be done by the audi?
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    Actually, speech is best understood at monaural, then stereo, and last surround sound. These days sound engineers are big on effects and much of that is in the side channels. Hitachi sound bars and some others have a feature called Clear Speech that emphasizes voice that may be a help when you listen to an ambient sound setup. Setting your TV to stereo rather than surround can improve understanding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pui106 View Post
    Also, I am wondering if I can remove the TV program from the hearing aid myself or it has to be done by the audi?
    Good question. I'm not aware of a way to remove the TV Program from the HA yourself. You may need to have the audi remove it for you. I remember that when my audi did the firmware update on my OPNs it did remove the TV program (which is to be expected).
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    Well this or at least the hijacked parts are certainly amusing!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pui106 View Post
    Thanks so much for the info. I now understand more how this TV adapter works. I did tune down the volume but as a result, the speech was too soft to understand. I will try something with better audio, such as DVD, later and see if the sound quality would be better.

    Also, I am wondering if I can remove the TV program from the hearing aid myself or it has to be done by the audi?
    pretty sure you can only reset your tv adapter, unlinking all devices it connected to. so I good guess is, it will always stay there unless removed in the fitting software.
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    I have a new question for folks who owns the TV Adapter 3.0. A few times while watching a TV show streamed from the TV Adaptor 3.0, I suddenly hear the sound "come alive". What I mean is that before the sound is good, but flat, like it's just monophonic. But when it's alive, it sounds more stereophonic and has a richness to it. That's all I can describe. But it would not last long. I may hear this "alive" sound for a minute or two, then one of the OPNs would reboot, and I'm back to the normal flat sound.

    I don't know what's going on, but I'm beginning to suspect that maybe the TV Adapter 3.0 tries to stream stereo sound independently to each of the OPN, but for some reason, the OPNs can't handle the stereo sound and so only accepts the mono sound. But once in a while, the OPNs can accept the stereo sound, so all of a sudden I hear this richness, but it's short lived because maybe it's too much information in stereo for the OPNs to handle and overloading the OPNs into the point of a reboot of one of them. Of course, this is pure conjecture on my part.

    But I wonder if any folks with the TV Adaptor 3.0 have a similar experience like I have above. I've only noticed this a handful of time for the 4+ months I've owned the TV Adapter 3.0, and I use it regularly everyday.
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    I might have experienced what you're talking about, however I didn't perceive it as better. Sometimes one of my aids still reboots while streaming from the tv adapter. And sometimes I think the stop syncing with each other and the right side kinda sounds different and I would agree with your more richness, volume kinda experience. However overall it doesn't really sound clearer and I reboot both aids(taking out battery and then switching them on again).

    btw streaming is in real stereo. there's no mono stream with the OPNs unlike older aids.
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    ^^^ Yes, you're right that it doesn't sound clearer. Just more richness, slightly more volume. Whether it sounds better or not really better is just a personal preference, I think.
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    This "rich" sound effect happened again just now from my TV Adapter 3.0. Then again, about a minute later, one of my OPN1s rebooted. Last time it was the left one that rebooted. This time it was the right one. After the reboot, the sound came back to the normal (non-rich) mode again.

    I read online that Oticon licensed the CEVA RivieraWaves BLE technology for use on the OPN. I'm assuming that this is what they use for the TV Adapter 3.0, and possibly for the ConnectClip streamer that was supposed to be out in Q1'17 (but now delayed?).

    So apparently they're dealing with 2 different BLE protocols here, the CEVA one that they license for the TV Adapter, and the Apple propriety for the iPhone/iPad.
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    I have definitely noticed that my TV streamer + OPn performance gets squirrelly on Day 5 of my PowerOne batteries. Without a lot of TV streaming, these batteries will last into the 6th day, but since I do tend to stream a couple hours of TV each night, typically on Day 5, things start to get squirrelly. That's when I just go ahead and change the batteries.

    Not only does the sound quality shift from that "stereophonic" richness you describe to a flatter, 2-dimensional type sound (albeit still streamed directly into my aids!), but the aids will continuously STOP streaming from the TV, and the program will even go from TV streaming back to default Program 1 like some kind of dumb robot taking charge of my aids.

    I actually find the Duracell batteries from Costco TIP-TOP! I've been getting them for ages now. But occasionally, if I'm on the road, or lazy, or SNOWED IN, I order batteries online at Amazon.com. Then I've tried the PowerOne size 312. But IMO this brand is not significantly better than the Duracells!

    Reading about all the problems others experience with streaming from the iPhone, tho, makes me wonder if Oticon has this streaming thing down pat, or if they wanted to just ride the coattails of some BIG NAME like Apple. Users like me, who have an Android device and refuse any IoT of things are left high and dry. I did put an email in to Oticon asking about the status of their clip-on streamer, and know from experience it will be close to 3 weeks before I hear back from anyone there.

    One thing I CAN say about my old Agil Pros and the Streamer Pro: BEAUTIFUL connection. Every time. No clicks, drop-outs, buzzing, zero! Just 100% reliable streaming into the aids. Now why can't Oticon do that with a NEWER model of aids? At this rate, their next introduction will be a tin funnel to place in our ears, and we'll be told to have those on the phone or in the room just YELL LOUDER. >:-/


    Quote Originally Posted by Volusiano View Post
    I have a new question for folks who owns the TV Adapter 3.0. A few times while watching a TV show streamed from the TV Adaptor 3.0, I suddenly hear the sound "come alive". What I mean is that before the sound is good, but flat, like it's just monophonic. But when it's alive, it sounds more stereophonic and has a richness to it. That's all I can describe. But it would not last long. I may hear this "alive" sound for a minute or two, then one of the OPNs would reboot, and I'm back to the normal flat sound.

    I don't know what's going on, but I'm beginning to suspect that maybe the TV Adapter 3.0 tries to stream stereo sound independently to each of the OPN, but for some reason, the OPNs can't handle the stereo sound and so only accepts the mono sound. But once in a while, the OPNs can accept the stereo sound, so all of a sudden I hear this richness, but it's short lived because maybe it's too much information in stereo for the OPNs to handle and overloading the OPNs into the point of a reboot of one of them. Of course, this is pure conjecture on my part.

    But I wonder if any folks with the TV Adaptor 3.0 have a similar experience like I have above. I've only noticed this a handful of time for the 4+ months I've owned the TV Adapter 3.0, and I use it regularly everyday.
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