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Thread: Sonic Enchant 100 vs Oticon OPN 1

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    My personal take (I'm a registered nurse, not an audiologist, so take it for what it's worth) is that she wouldn't get any additional benefit from a more advanced, expensive hearing aid. I'm from USA and know nothing about what you have available, but any current aid from Oticon, Sonic, Phonak, Unitron, Signia, Widex or Resound should be fine. Just some clarification. You mention BTE. BTE usually implies a bigger hearing aid with a tube to a fitted mold in the ear. Similar are RIC (receiver in canal) which are usually smaller and have a wire that goes to a receiver (actually a tiny speaker) in the ear. With her loss, I think a RIC would be a better fit, preferably with a smaller receiver than a 105. Something else to think about. How's her dexterity and vision? Changing hearing aid batteries can be a bit challenging. If somebody's around to help her once a week to change them, no big deal. If not, there are rechargeable ones available, but unless needed, don't seem worth the cost.

    Quote Originally Posted by Art View Post
    I'm in Mykolaiv, Ukraine.

    This Sonic seller offers just 1w of trial wearing, no restocking option.
    Another Sonic seller offers 1 month of trial, but not on this model, no restocking option, and they don't work in my region.
    Oticon seller doesn't offer any trial/restocking options.
    They said: "it's a medical device", "no one will wear used aids after you", "we don't work that way" ...

    @MDB
    You are right with the assumptions.
    Added audiogram to the 1st message.

    105 - because this is the only BTE option for Sonic Enchant and Oticon OPN.


    I heard this from audiologists, but reviews on the Internet describe high-end aids as a better option. So I decided to buy good but expensive aids once and for ~4 years. Am I wrong?
    She tried both aids in the office (with 4 months interval), and she liked the idea of wearing aids.

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    MDB, KenP thanx for the suggestions.

    She's not out in public a lot where there's a lot of background noise interfering.
    Not a lot in general, but actually there are such cases (when she is out by herself or with relatives). And a lot from time to time (when relatives have a lot of spare time to go out with her).
    Anyway, I don't want her to be limited by HA. Are these enough reasons to choose high-end HA?

    Audiologists recommended her BTE (with custom mold) because it is simpler in maintenance, more reliable and has better venting for an ear (according to their words). They discouraged us from miniRITE.
    Her dexterity and vision are good enough to change size 13 battery, she did that at the audiologist office. (but tried the wrong side initially)

    Brands you mentioned are available in the country, and I think at least half of them available in my city.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Art View Post
    Audiologists recommended her BTE (with custom mold) because it is simpler in maintenance, more reliable and has better venting for an ear (according to their words). They discouraged us from miniRITE.
    Her dexterity and vision are good enough to change size 13 battery, she did that at the audiologist office. (but tried the wrong side initially)
    Not sure how the BTE is simpler in maintenance than the miniRITE because actually if the receiver goes bad in the miniRITE and the audi has a spare receiver, the audi can simply swap the bad receiver out and replace it with a good receiver back into the custom mold and you're good to go again without any down time. That's if the custom mold is designed for easy swapping (my latest custom mold for the OPN 105dB receiver is designed like that for easy swapping -> there's a door to take the receiver out of the custom mold).

    BTE more reliable? Maybe, if you think that the receiver in the canal for the miniRITE may be subjected to more moisture compared to the receiver insider BTE HA. But again, the ease of swapping out for a new receiver on the fly without any down time to send in for service negates this issue. The BTE receiver may be (big maybe) more reliable but there's down time for service when it goes bad.

    I don't think the BTE plastic tubing and custom mold provides better venting than an encased miniRITE receiver in a custom mold that has a vent. A vent is a vent, if same size how can one be better? Unless they're saying that the BTE mold vent can be made a lot bigger, a la open dome big. I don't think your grandma hearing loss in the low end would allow her to be fitted with huge vent anyway.

    Check out this thread http://system1.com/job-listing/5f663...4-8471d45ee044 where forum member bchearing tried out the OPN miniRITE with 105dB custom mold receivers vs the OPN BTE13 PP and he reported that the miniRITE 105dB receiver actually sounds louder than the BTE13 PP 105dB receivers. The seems to make sense because the miniRITE receiver sits right inside the ear canal while the BTE 105dB receiver sits way outside the ear canal, way back where the BTE HA sits. So the miniRITE receiver sittinng closer to the ear drum naturally should produce louder volume.

    By the way, I think the Sonic Enchant 100 is a miniRITE in the first place. I'm not aware that there's a BTE13 version of it (yet). Maybe down the line but not now. Only the OPN has recently come out with the BTE13 PP version. So if your grandma is trialing the Enchant 100 for a week, that'd be a miniRITE anyway.

    If your grandma ends up with a miniRITE with 312 batteries, the OPN has a rechargeable option (they OEM the Z Power device) so she simply can insert the HA into the charging station every night without needing to have the dexterity to swap in/out 312 size batteries. I don't think the Sonic has the rechargeable batteries option yet. But even if not, it seems like it's a easily retrofiti-able option in the future. That's what they did with the OPN ->let people swap the regular battery door with a rechargeable one later on.
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    Why is everyone hell bent for this guy to cheap out on granny? He obviously can afford them and evidently granny get's around without much problem. Not sure about an AuD recommending her BTE instead of a RIC!

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    BuyHear would do a 60 day trial of one and THEN a 60 day trial of the other. I find it hard to believe that the Enchant 100's wouldn't be fine for her (I can't tell much of a difference myself; I am wearing Enchant 100's as we "speak").
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    Regarding miniRITE speaker replacement, Oticon country distributor said that they might not have spare speakers, and waiting for the new one may take up to 2 weeks. Local sellers don't store spare ones. They sell them for $80.

    Regarding reliability, they said that BTE speaker almost never goes bad, but miniRITE speaker works about a year in average because of moisture in the ear.
    Also, they said that miniRITE wire is at risk if used inaccurately (which may be the case with aged patients). On the other hand, BTE's tube can't be broken.

    Regarding maintenance, they said that miniRITE needs wax guards to be replaced regularly. BTE needs regular tube replacement because of solidification.

    Regarding vent, they said this - BTE vent can be made bigger than with miniRITE.

    I asked 3 audiologists regarding miniRITE vs BTE, everybody recommended BTE and discouraged from miniRITE. One even convinced us to wait for 3 months for OPN BTE back in the spring, discouraged from miniRITE, proposed Oticon Alta2 Pro BTE. They said that they don't offer miniRITE for aged patients. If facts from above aren't enough then maybe it's a local distortion with audiologists decision-making.

    Does my grandma miss something wearing BTE instead of miniRITE?

    There is actually Sonic Enchant 100 BTE 105, see links:
    Sonic Enchant BTE Features
    Sonic Enchant BTE User Guide

    @Volusiano, the link to receiver comparison is wrong (OPN miniRITE 105dB vs the OPN BTE13 PP).

    I find it hard to believe that the Enchant 100's wouldn't be fine for her
    Sounds good! Actually, while fitting in the office she liked it on 100% adaptation level, more than on 80% or 90%.

    Thank you all for the suggestions. As the direct comparison in our case is impossible, we won't waste time on it and stick to Sonic. If one-week "trial wearing" goes well (without unresolvable issues) then we won't return it.
    Custom molds are ready (they've sent me a photo, attached), tomorrow they will arrive in our city and "trial wearing" will start.
    HA custom molds.jpg

    BTW our local prices:
    Oticon OPN 1 (pair) ~$5000
    Oticon OPN 2 (pair) ~$3850
    Sonic Enchant 100 (pair) + TV-A ~$3360
    Sonic Enchant 80 (pair) ~$2600 (checked only one seller)
    Sonic Enchant 60 (pair) ~$1860 (checked only one seller)

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    Great! Sounds like you've got a good plan. I'd accept that BTEs are more reliable. I expect the move towards in US towards RIC is prompted by cosmetic desirability of the smaller device and perhaps the audiologists like the idea of the customer needing to come in for routine maintenance? Thanks again for interesting posts and I wish you and your grandmother well.

    Quote Originally Posted by Art View Post
    Regarding miniRITE speaker replacement, Oticon country distributor said that they might not have spare speakers, and waiting for the new one may take up to 2 weeks. Local sellers don't store spare ones. They sell them for $80.

    Regarding reliability, they said that BTE speaker almost never goes bad, but miniRITE speaker works about a year in average because of moisture in the ear.
    Also, they said that miniRITE wire is at risk if used inaccurately (which may be the case with aged patients). On the other hand, BTE's tube can't be broken.

    Regarding maintenance, they said that miniRITE needs wax guards to be replaced regularly. BTE needs regular tube replacement because of solidification.

    Regarding vent, they said this - BTE vent can be made bigger than with miniRITE.

    I asked 3 audiologists regarding miniRITE vs BTE, everybody recommended BTE and discouraged from miniRITE. One even convinced us to wait for 3 months for OPN BTE back in the spring, discouraged from miniRITE, proposed Oticon Alta2 Pro BTE. They said that they don't offer miniRITE for aged patients. If facts from above aren't enough then maybe it's a local distortion with audiologists decision-making.

    Does my grandma miss something wearing BTE instead of miniRITE?

    There is actually Sonic Enchant 100 BTE 105, see links:
    Sonic Enchant BTE Features
    Sonic Enchant BTE User Guide

    @Volusiano, the link to receiver comparison is wrong (OPN miniRITE 105dB vs the OPN BTE13 PP).


    Sounds good! Actually, while fitting in the office she liked it on 100% adaptation level, more than on 80% or 90%.

    Thank you all for the suggestions. As the direct comparison in our case is impossible, we won't waste time on it and stick to Sonic. If one-week "trial wearing" goes well (without unresolvable issues) then we won't return it.
    Custom molds are ready (they've sent me a photo, attached), tomorrow they will arrive in our city and "trial wearing" will start.
    HA custom molds.jpg

    BTW our local prices:
    Oticon OPN 1 (pair) ~$5000
    Oticon OPN 2 (pair) ~$3850
    Sonic Enchant 100 (pair) + TV-A ~$3360
    Sonic Enchant 80 (pair) ~$2600 (checked only one seller)
    Sonic Enchant 60 (pair) ~$1860 (checked only one seller)
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    Now that you've provided a lot more details on your reasoning (and the audis' reasoning) for BTE and Sonic, it sounds like a good and informed decision. I agree with MDB that the miniRITE has great cosmetic desirability over the BTE, but your grandma probably wouldn't be fussy about the cosmetic difference anyway at her age.

    If availability of the miniRITE receiver is not good in Ukraine requiring a long wait for replacement, then there's no more convenience of in-office swapping that would have been in the miniRITE favor.

    As for reliability, I agree that the miniRITE is less reliable because I was only 8 months into using my 85dB receivers on the OPN1 and I already have had to replace one of them because it went bad. But most HAs have a 3 year warranty, so it's more of a hassle to have to replace receivers more often and it's not like it'd cost you more for the warranty replacements.

    I think the local audis gave you good reasonings for going with BTE, not because your grandma needs that level of amplification, but mostly on account of her being an elderly patient. It's also good that Sonic has a BTE option. I didn't know and just assumed that they don't because I didn't see BuyHear.com sell the BTE version of the Enchant 100. The Enchant 100 BTE + TV adapter pricing looks very reasonable. The OPN 1 pricing looks pretty high. It's good that the lack of an adequate trial time on the OPN and the outrageous OPN 1 price makes the decision easier for you to pick the Enchant 100. I probably would have done the same thing if I were you.
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